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Christopher Napolitano is an old college friend. When we graduated, I headed off to work for tiny literary presses Grove Press and New Directions, while Chris started working at Playboy, where he eventually rose to be Editorial Director for many years.
We talked about editing in general, editing one's heroes (Norman Mailer and John Updike, among them), and a bunch of other stuff. Part one is the more literary of the two.
Part 2, coming soon, touches on the other stuff - visits to the Playboy Mansion, the treatment of women both in editorial and in front of the camera, at the magazine, Chris's first-hand impression of Donald Trump, #metoo, and more.
At the top of the show, I gripe for a few minutes.